DMN - Bridge plan disrupts calm of Lavon Lake

04/19/09

Permalink 09:00:17 pm, by bill Email , 524 words,   English (US)
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DMN - Bridge plan disrupts calm of Lavon Lake

The Collin County Observer offered its analysis on the Lake Lavon bridge issue back on March 17.

Today, The Dallas Morning News' local reporter, Ed Housewright adds to the discussion.

Bill

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Bridge plan disrupts calm of Lavon Lake

Sunday, April 19, 2009
By ED HOUSEWRIGHT / The Dallas Morning News

Todd and Kay Nordby hope to build a retirement home on Lavon Lake and enjoy a serene view of the water.

They don't want to look at a hulking six-lane bridge.

Yet the Nordbys fear momentum is building for a bridge to span the lake's southern tip and ease east-west travel. They began a Web site last month that warns of the bridge's impact.

"Our mission: preserve the peace and tranquility of Lake Lavon, its parks, equestrian trails, camp grounds, fishing, swimming, boating, picnic and recreational areas," the Web site says.

Collin County commissioners recently approved a $367,000 engineering contract to determine the bridge alignment. It's likely to skirt the Nordbys' property on the peninsula of the lake, located about 30 miles northeast of Dallas.

However, commissioners assure property owners that bridge construction probably wouldn't begin for more than 15 years.

"Any type of bridge is years and years and years away," said Commissioner Joe Jaynes, whose district includes the lake's western shore.

Officials say they need to identify an alignment and begin acquiring right of way because of the county's breakneck growth. Currently, the only east-west bridge across the entire lake is U.S. Highway 380, about seven miles north.

"This is a planning effort," said Commissioner Jerry Hoagland, whose district includes the eastern shore. "I don't think there's a need for a bridge today, very candidly, but I do think we'll need one when the eastern part of Collin County gets built out."

The project, estimated to cost at least $150 million, would consist of two bridges.

One would begin on the lake's western shore in Lucas and connect to the narrow peninsula extending south from Princeton. The second bridge would stretch from the peninsula to the lake's eastern shore, ending north of Lavon.

The entire distance of both bridges and the peninsula roadway is about eight miles.

The Nordbys dispute the need for another east-west connector, even years from now. They point out the county's eastern side is far less populated than the west, which includes Allen, Frisco, McKinney and Plano.

"Most people like the remoteness and undeveloped nature," Kay Nordby said.

The Save Lake Lavon Web site, savelakelavon.com, already has attracted heavy traffic, Todd Nordby said.

"In a short time, with very little PR, we have begun receiving offers of volunteer support and requests for information from citizens on Lake Lavon and surrounding communities," he said.

But not all lake residents oppose the bridge. Carla McCroan, who lives near Nevada on the east side, first proposed a bridge almost a decade ago because of growing traffic. She was serving on the Collin County Planning Board at the time.

"I've heard a lot of people say it [a bridge] would be a great thing," McCroan said.

The county plans to schedule public hearings within the next year on the proposed route for the bridges and peninsula roadway.

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Comment from: J Cozart [Visitor] Email
They live on an artificial lake that was built for water retention, not for peace and quiet. They also live within 50 miles of center of the fourth largest metro area in the United States. These people cannot have a stable, rural, quiet, setting in this geographic location.

I would suggest they look at some of the awesomely serene natural lakes in Louisiana or perhaps a sinkhole in Central Florida.

PermalinkPermalink 05/01/09 @ 11:07
Comment from: wyliesteve [Member] Email
As someone who moved to Wylie 20 years ago for the peace, quiet and rural setting, I have had that lifestyle right here within 50 miles of the center of a large metro area. It is why I invested in a home here, and I expect to maintain that lifestyle here. If I wanted to live in the midst of noise and traffic I am sure I could find a house on a postage-stamp sized lot in Plano, Frisco or even Dallas itself if that's what I wanted. It is not what I want.

I think it is unnecessary to drive to Louisiana, Arkansas or Oklahoma (and take my sales and gas tax dollars with me) just to spend a few hours in nature, especially when we have the opportunity to maintain such a facility within an hour of the metroplex.
PermalinkPermalink 05/02/09 @ 13:18
Comment from: SaveLakeLavon [Visitor] Email · http://http;//SaveLakeLavon.com
So, J Cozart thinks that because Lavon is close to the metro area and because it is man-made it is not “awesomely serene” nor worth preserving? I have to wonder if Cozart has ever been to our "artificial lake" or any of the other lakes in Texas. Caddo is the only 'natural' lake we have, so I suppose Caddo is the only one worth preserving? Could we extrapolate from J Cozart’s statements that folks should feel no shame dumping tires or trash near our artificial lakes because they were not put there by God. So sad and narrow minded.

Yes, Lavon Lake is a water supply. Yes, Lavon Lake is close to the DFW area. But, I suggest that J Cozart make a visit to Lavon Lake. Go to any of the 16 parks along the shore or travel the 18 mile equestrian and hiking trail. Then report back. I think anyone who sees Lavon Lake will understand better what we seek to preserve. Lavon Lake is a rare and precious gem. It has maintained its country feel since 1954 when it was first opened. Man-made then, man-maintained now. Lavon Lake SHOULD be preserved by the people who made it, by the people who depend on it, for the beauty it shares with everyone.
PermalinkPermalink 05/02/09 @ 14:02
Comment from: J Cozart [Visitor] Email
Howdy

I grew up in the area and have been to Lavon Lake many times! I have a great map of the original impoundment from 1953. The Lake was built to provide water to a massive metropolitan area by the Corps of Engineers. That same metro area it was built to serve will inexorably encroach upon its shores. The people who made the lake were engineers from the government.

We live in a county that is devoted to sprawl for its growth model. It would be great if America had clear black and white lines separating rural and urban areas but in all honestly, the sprawl will continue and in order to escape it you'll have to move further out. Lake Texoma, Cooper Lake, Caddo Lake, etc. Think of all of the farmers in Plano that moved to Wylie in the 60s and 70s to escape it. I wonder how many of them moved to Blue Ridge?

I'm not denigrating your cause, I'm just saying you ought to spend your time on something more worthwhile than trying to fight a losing battle with an entrenched sprawl model.
PermalinkPermalink 05/04/09 @ 20:48
Comment from: J Cozart [Visitor] Email
erm, sorry for the double post - but i'd also like to point out that the bridge is replacing the road links that the lake destroyed when it was built (opened in October of '53). Take a look at the 1939 TxDot County map available at tsl.state.tx.us ...

I'd also like to note that the only reason the lake is ringed with parks is that it is a Corps of Engineers Lake. Lakes built by other entites generally have tons of residential development ringing them (take a look at the non-USACE Cedar Creek Lake, built by the Tarrant Water District, for an example). That is changing all over the country as the government sells of lakefront land. This is unfortunate but I think if you polled most of the people living in southeastern Collin County, more than half of whom have moved there within the last 5 years according to the Census Bureau, most of them would support the bridge and the elected officials who proposed it because they can get to the Super Target in McKinney 10 minutes faster. It's sad but its true.

PermalinkPermalink 05/04/09 @ 21:14
Comment from: SaveLakeLavon [Visitor] Email · http://www.savelakelavon.com
It is a fact that 'sprawl' tends to take over every bit of open land. That is exactly our point. It need not, and should not, happen everywhere. We need to preserve some areas; protect them against the sprawl. Right now, the County has the perfect opportunity make the right decision. There is a reason cities PLAN parks and PLAN recreation areas; they add to our quality of life. If the development around the lake is controlled, and limited to low density, any projected need for a bridge goes away. In return for the County's prudent planning, the residents gain a slice of country in the city, and they avoid the expense of building a bridge. Win-Win
PermalinkPermalink 05/05/09 @ 14:09
Comment from: J Cozart [Visitor] Email
Here is an alternate.

Sprawl does not take over every bit of open land. For examples I'll refer you Rutledge Haggard's giant farm on the Tollway between the IKEA and Willow Bend or anything along Central between Allen and McKinney.

Sprawl only takes over the land that will bring in the most revenue, which is why it is described as leapfrogging development, why do you think so many people live in Prosper when there are those great fields to pave over in Frisco? People moved to Plano for Country in the city, then they moved to Frisco for country in the city when Plano was full, now they're moving to Prosper for Country in the city. Country in the city is a myth and a ridiculous concept.

People paying property taxes on non-AG land pay more into the county. The more people are packed in who arent on farms the more revenue the county makes. Your elected officials plan infrastructure and budgets based on projections of what sprawl will bring. There is either gridlock or there is smoother flowing traffic, either way there is suburbia. I vote for the smoother flowing traffic.

I really dislike sprawl. Fight sprawl, do not fight the necessary infrastructure that makes the inevitable bearable.

PermalinkPermalink 05/05/09 @ 23:23
Comment from: SaveLakeLavon [Visitor] Email · http://www.savelakelavon.com
J Cozart said, “Sprawl only takes over the land that will bring in the most revenue.” I agree. Greed is a huge motivating factor. Collin County and developers have long viewed Lavon Lake as a barrier. A bridge would give them ‘easy access’ to ‘cheap land’. Sad but true. http://www.elakeviewdowns.com/community/news.html
It is clear that they do not value the lake. It is also clear that they have not talked to enough people who live near the lake. http://www.savelakelavon.com/comments.htm
PermalinkPermalink 05/06/09 @ 20:03
Comment from: Local Resident [Visitor] Email
NO TOLL, NO OUTER LOOP.
I was born in Wylie, TX and have lived in Nevada all my life. I would love to have access to cross Lake Lavon.
Bridge vs White Rock Lake atmosphere? Give me a bridge.
We do not need 6 lanes, a simple 2 lane in either direction road would be nice, but Hwy 78 still has not been widened all the way to Farmersville yet, and this alone would help. I do not want a toll road or the Outer Loop though. Why can we not just widen the existing road across the Dam? We should be able to do this without taking any homes. As far as security goes, people fish down there every day anyway. So there is no protection currently, anyway.
We need an alternate route when there are wrecks on Hwy 78. In order to get from Wylie to Nevada alternate 78, one has to go to Princeton or Farmersville, and that is only if you know about the wreck in advance and have the option to avoid Hwy 78.
We have already paid our tax dollars, and first and foremost, before any bridges are started, we need all the wavy pavement and pot holes fixed in this County. If this project is going to happen, there should be no more houses built until this project is confirmed. Stop the development first, please do not destroy my friend's homes. I know people that have lived at their property since the age of 6, and they are now in their 50’s, some longer than that. There should be a way to do this with existing access. Why not come across Lavonia Park for example? There are very few houses that actually sit next to the road today.
As far as cutting the lake in half, as long as this could be done without destroying lives. Who /what will it affect? The boaters? How many of them live out here anyway? It may slow them down a little, which may not be a bad thing.
I agree to a bridge, as long as it is only a bridge, and not a leg of the outer loop which does indeed not help anyone that lives on or around Lake Lavon. I prefer no tolls; let’s not build a bridge a bridge on a credit card. I do not agree with taking property.
I have to drive around the Lake to commute to work, and there is no alternate route. In summary, I think to widen and use Lavonia Park as the access point would not be too bad. This is Collin County, not White Rock Lake in a swanky neighborhood, where the land owners frown at you if you look at the lake. Unfortunately, we need a bridge of some sort, this is not a place for the rich to move to for their retirement, it is home to some of us. This is the way I feel, and I LOVE Lake Lavon, always dearly, it is my home.
In the end, they will do what they want, it is best to debate how we want it done.
Nevada resident.
PermalinkPermalink 09/27/09 @ 10:18
Comment from: Debbie Krajewski [Visitor] Email
Then meeting last night was great......standing room only!! The result was a resounding NO BRIDGE!! We think the commissioners were a bit surprised by the turn out. There were people who spoken facts against the bridge to try to change their minds, there were folks who spoke from their hearts pleading with them .....please do not take our tranqility and please don't take our land!! Time will tell ......there is an organization, TURF, who started out as a small group of residents against the Trans Texas Corridor!! And as of yesterday they were VICTORIUS for the rest of the landowners in the state who would have lost their land to eminent domain for this purposed monstosity of the Trans Texas Corridor!! YAY for the people!! We are hopeful to become as victorious against the "big city" commissioners moving their 'big city" plans into our quiet, beautiful, lake!! We just want to preserve our lake, in hopes that it may be the only lake in the entire state that is left to the prestine condition and nature reserve it was meant to be.
PermalinkPermalink 10/08/09 @ 10:47

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